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		<title>Too Many Hoops to Jump Through: Pre-Marital Counseling, Ellen, and Gay Dudes</title>
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		<description><![CDATA[(My thoughts below are a work in progress and I am hoping they will spark a warm, tough, loving conversation.) I love Courageous Church.  The people I pastor are a total mess. I mean that in a loving way :-) I need them.  They need me.  We need each other.  In so many ways this [...]]]></description>
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<p>(My thoughts below are a work in progress and I am hoping they will spark a warm, tough, loving conversation.)</p>
<p>I love <a href="http://courageouschurch.com">Courageous Church</a>.  The people I pastor<strong> are a total mess</strong>. I mean that in a loving way :-)</p>
<p>I need them.  They need me.  We need each other.  In so many ways this is just the church that I imagined pastoring.</p>
<p>Alcoholics. Porn Watchers. Gay. Oversexed.  Shopaholics.  Addicts.  Educated. Uneducated. Churched. Un-churched.  Married. Divorced. Single.</p>
<p><strong>Everything.</strong></p>
<p>As I prepare to begin pre-marital counseling with several couples in our church (can&#8217;t wait) I noticed how many churches <strong>absolutely will not marry men or women if they are living together</strong>.  If you are living together, they ask that you move out for up to six months first.</p>
<p>Forgive me if I sound unholy, but I found this to be a bit <strong>preposterous</strong>.  Imagine this&#8230;</p>
<p>John &amp; Jane didn&#8217;t grow up in church. Unsaved.  They have lived together for ten years.  They have three kids and love each other and the kids a great deal.  They come into a relationship with God and the church and decide they want and need to get married.  You are telling me that <strong>Dad needs to move out</strong> of the house before the church will marry them?</p>
<p>I kind of catch the logic, but I just think it is <strong>one too many hoops to jump through</strong>.</p>
<p>In fact, I think that all of the <strong>hoops </strong>that we make people jump through in the church are a major problem!  I&#8217;m not saying that we lower our standard or quit asking people to leave some things behind to follow God, but I think we are getting pretty carried away.</p>
<p><img class="alignleft size-medium wp-image-1359" title="Daytime Emmy Awards Show" src="http://www.shauninthecity.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/11/ellen-degeneres2-300x234.jpg" alt="Daytime Emmy Awards Show" width="300" height="234" />I was watching Ellen Degeneres (and her wife) on the Oprah Show recently.  VERY INTERESTING.  Ellen clearly is not a Christian based on her comments on the show.  The thing is &#8211; most churches I know would not welcome Ellen or her wife there. Period.</p>
<p><strong>But is this right?</strong> Doesn&#8217;t Ellen have 1001 other things to learn about how to be a great Christian?  I think so, but in order for Ellen to learn anything about grace, forgiveness, or generosity from a Christian perspective <strong>she must first change</strong>?  I&#8217;m not sure that&#8217;s the right order of things.</p>
<p>For years I have told folk that you don&#8217;t get your life together and then come to church, but you come to church and then get your life together.  Does this just apply for certain sinners?</p>
<p>Courageous Church is in Midtown Atlanta &#8211; the gayest part of our city.  We have a few gay dudes that have started to attend.  <strong>Do they have to stop being gay before they serve as an usher?</strong> Sing a song? Play an instrument?</p>
<p>How about join a small group?  Attend Sunday service?  How about attend a class for couples?</p>
<p>Here&#8217;s my point &#8211; I understand a hoop here and there, but I am afraid our hoops are <strong>too arbitrary and too plentiful</strong>.</p>
<p>After all, Jesus said in Matthew 11:28  &#8220;Come to me, <strong>all of you</strong> who are weary and carry heavy burdens, and I will give you rest.&#8221;</p>
<p><strong>What do you think?  Let&#8217;s talk this out!</strong> What hoops that I discuss above are right or wrong?  How do we choose the hoops? Why have them?</p>
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