Comments on: Sin Police: To Be or Not to Be? http://www.shauninthecity.com/2009/10/sin-police-to-be-or-not-to-be.html The Blog of Shaun King Thu, 12 May 2011 15:57:14 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: schreck1 http://www.shauninthecity.com/2009/10/sin-police-to-be-or-not-to-be.html/comment-page-1#comment-16224 schreck1 Wed, 18 Nov 2009 21:31:30 +0000 http://www.shauninthecity.com/?p=1322#comment-16224 Confession of sin is not a substitute for repentance. As a pastor/leader of the church, we must boldly preach "Christ crucified" for our sins. As Christ's representatives we must warn everyone of the consequences of sin. When people hear the warning, the Holy Spirit convicts people and leads them to repentance. If people have no desire to repent or escape the judgment of God, this would be the result of a watered down message of the truth. As a pastor, we can never afford to compromise the Biblical Gospel in hopes of making it easy for people to enter the Kingdom of God. Jesus never lowered the requirement of obedience to the commandments. Christ made it possible for people to enter the Kingdom of God by suffering the penalty of their disobedience at the cross. Jesus said, "...unless you repent, you will likewise perish." Luke 13:3. If a sinner values their soul as precious, they will take heed to the Master's instructions. Let us not be found with those who willfully alter the truth to no saving virtue but contend to keep the faith as it was originally given to us. Blessings in our loving Saviour. Michael Confession of sin is not a substitute for repentance. As a pastor/leader of the church, we must boldly preach "Christ crucified" for our sins. As Christ's representatives we must warn everyone of the consequences of sin. When people hear the warning, the Holy Spirit convicts people and leads them to repentance. If people have no desire to repent or escape the judgment of God, this would be the result of a watered down message of the truth. As a pastor, we can never afford to compromise the Biblical Gospel in hopes of making it easy for people to enter the Kingdom of God. Jesus never lowered the requirement of obedience to the commandments. Christ made it possible for people to enter the Kingdom of God by suffering the penalty of their disobedience at the cross. Jesus said, "…unless you repent, you will likewise perish." Luke 13:3. If a sinner values their soul as precious, they will take heed to the Master's instructions. Let us not be found with those who willfully alter the truth to no saving virtue but contend to keep the faith as it was originally given to us. Blessings in our loving Saviour. Michael

]]> By: schreck1 http://www.shauninthecity.com/2009/10/sin-police-to-be-or-not-to-be.html/comment-page-1#comment-16223 schreck1 Wed, 18 Nov 2009 21:30:45 +0000 http://www.shauninthecity.com/?p=1322#comment-16223 Hi Jeremy, I appreciate your honesty and compassion for a world of dying souls who without Christ will never have a chance of entering the Kingdom of Heaven. I understand your views and relate to the "no guilt" environment required for people to come forward and confess their shame. This has been practiced by the Roman Catholic Church for centuries and has not produced the kind of fruit that God expects if there is no change. (continues on next reply) Hi Jeremy,
I appreciate your honesty and compassion for a world of dying souls who without Christ will never have a chance of entering the Kingdom of Heaven. I understand your views and relate to the "no guilt" environment required for people to come forward and confess their shame. This has been practiced by the Roman Catholic Church for centuries and has not produced the kind of fruit that God expects if there is no change. (continues on next reply)

]]> By: A. Amos Love http://www.shauninthecity.com/2009/10/sin-police-to-be-or-not-to-be.html/comment-page-1#comment-14978 A. Amos Love Thu, 29 Oct 2009 21:04:19 +0000 http://www.shauninthecity.com/?p=1322#comment-14978 "Should pastors and leaders serve as sin police" Is the Bible really clear on pastors and leaders and what they biblically do? How do you reconcile "leaders" with Jesus in Mat 23:10 teaching His disciples not to be called "master/leader" for you have one "master/leader" the Christ? The Interlinear Bible- Nor be called leaders, for one is your leader the Christ. Phillips Modern English- you must not let people call you leaders, you have only one leader, Christ. Today's English Version- nor should you be called leader. your one and only leader is the Messiah. The Amplified- you must not be called masters ( leaders ) for you have one master ( leader ) the Christ. If Jesus told "His disciples" NOT to be called "master/leader" and someone calls them self a "leader" or thinks they are a "leader;" are they a “disciple of Christ? If that is our choice, “disciple of Christ” or “leader” which one do you choose? Hmmm? Pastor, is this a “Title” or "position" in the scriptures? Have you done your own study, research, on pastors? I mean in the Bible? What does the Bible say about pastors? Makes an interesting study. Here’s some questions to ask as you check out pastors. In the Bible, How many people... have the title pastor? In the Bible, How many people are... referred to as pastor? In the Bible, How many people are... ordained as a pastor? In the Bible, How many congregations are... led by a pastor? Be blessed in your search for truth... Jesus And other sheep I have, which are not of this fold: them also I must bring, and they shall hear my voice; and there shall be one fold, and one shepherd. John 10:16 One Fold - One Shepherd - One Voice. If Not Now, When? Be blessed and be a blessing. "Should pastors and leaders serve as sin police"

Is the Bible really clear on pastors and leaders and what they biblically do?

How do you reconcile "leaders" with Jesus in Mat 23:10 teaching His disciples
not to be called "master/leader" for you have one "master/leader" the Christ?

The Interlinear Bible-
Nor be called leaders,
for one is your leader the Christ.

Phillips Modern English-
you must not let people call you leaders,
you have only one leader, Christ.

Today's English Version-
nor should you be called leader.
your one and only leader is the Messiah.

The Amplified-
you must not be called masters ( leaders )
for you have one master ( leader )
the Christ.

If Jesus told "His disciples" NOT to be called "master/leader"
and someone calls them self a "leader" or thinks they are a "leader;"
are they a “disciple of Christ?

If that is our choice, “disciple of Christ” or “leader”
which one do you choose?

Hmmm? Pastor, is this a “Title” or "position" in the scriptures?

Have you done your own study, research, on pastors?
I mean in the Bible?
What does the Bible say about pastors?

Makes an interesting study.
Here’s some questions to ask as you check out pastors.

In the Bible, How many people… have the title pastor?
In the Bible, How many people are… referred to as pastor?
In the Bible, How many people are… ordained as a pastor?
In the Bible, How many congregations are… led by a pastor?

Be blessed in your search for truth… Jesus

And other sheep I have, which are not of this fold:
them also I must bring, and they shall hear my voice;
and there shall be one fold, and one shepherd.
John 10:16

One Fold – One Shepherd – One Voice.
If Not Now, When?

Be blessed and be a blessing.

]]> By: A. Amos Love http://www.shauninthecity.com/2009/10/sin-police-to-be-or-not-to-be.html/comment-page-1#comment-14976 A. Amos Love Thu, 29 Oct 2009 20:48:13 +0000 http://www.shauninthecity.com/?p=1322#comment-14976 Grace until it hurts. Then more grace. Grace until it hurts.

Then more grace.

]]> By: A. Amos Love http://www.shauninthecity.com/2009/10/sin-police-to-be-or-not-to-be.html/comment-page-1#comment-14975 A. Amos Love Thu, 29 Oct 2009 20:47:14 +0000 http://www.shauninthecity.com/?p=1322#comment-14975 Just kidding - loved your responce Just kidding – loved your responce

]]> By: A. Amos Love http://www.shauninthecity.com/2009/10/sin-police-to-be-or-not-to-be.html/comment-page-1#comment-14974 A. Amos Love Thu, 29 Oct 2009 20:46:28 +0000 http://www.shauninthecity.com/?p=1322#comment-14974 Jay Is the Bible really clear on pastors and leaders? How do you reconcile "leaders" with Jesus in Mat 23:10 teaching His disciples not to be called "master/leader" for you have one "master/leader" the Christ? The Interlinear Bible- Nor be called leaders, for one is your leader the Christ. Phillips Modern English- you must not let people call you leaders, you have only one leader, Christ. Today's English Version- nor should you be called leader. your one and only leader is the Messiah. The Amplified- you must not be called masters ( leaders ) for you have one master ( leader ) the Christ. If Jesus told "His disciples" NOT to be called "master/leader" and someone calls them self a "leader" or thinks they are a "leader;" are they a “disciple of Christ? If that is our choice, “disciple of Christ” or “leader” which one do you choose? Hmmm? Pastor, is this a “Title” or "position" in the scriptures? Have you done your own study, research, on pastors? I mean in the Bible? What does the Bible say about pastors? Makes an interesting study. Here’s some questions to ask as you check out pastors. In the Bible, How many people... have the title pastor? In the Bible, How many people are... referred to as pastor? In the Bible, How many people are... ordained as a pastor? In the Bible, How many congregations are... led by a pastor? Be blessed in your search for truth... Jesus And other sheep I have, which are not of this fold: them also I must bring, and they shall hear my voice; and there shall be one fold, and one shepherd. John 10:16 One Fold - One Shepherd - One Voice. If Not Now, When? Be blessed and be a blessing. Jay

Is the Bible really clear on pastors and leaders?

How do you reconcile "leaders" with Jesus in Mat 23:10 teaching His disciples
not to be called "master/leader" for you have one "master/leader" the Christ?

The Interlinear Bible-
Nor be called leaders,
for one is your leader the Christ.

Phillips Modern English-
you must not let people call you leaders,
you have only one leader, Christ.

Today's English Version-
nor should you be called leader.
your one and only leader is the Messiah.

The Amplified-
you must not be called masters ( leaders )
for you have one master ( leader )
the Christ.

If Jesus told "His disciples" NOT to be called "master/leader"
and someone calls them self a "leader" or thinks they are a "leader;"
are they a “disciple of Christ?

If that is our choice, “disciple of Christ” or “leader”
which one do you choose?

Hmmm? Pastor, is this a “Title” or "position" in the scriptures?

Have you done your own study, research, on pastors?
I mean in the Bible?
What does the Bible say about pastors?

Makes an interesting study.
Here’s some questions to ask as you check out pastors.

In the Bible, How many people… have the title pastor?
In the Bible, How many people are… referred to as pastor?
In the Bible, How many people are… ordained as a pastor?
In the Bible, How many congregations are… led by a pastor?

Be blessed in your search for truth… Jesus

And other sheep I have, which are not of this fold:
them also I must bring, and they shall hear my voice;
and there shall be one fold, and one shepherd.
John 10:16

One Fold – One Shepherd – One Voice.
If Not Now, When?

Be blessed and be a blessing.

]]> By: A. Amos Love http://www.shauninthecity.com/2009/10/sin-police-to-be-or-not-to-be.html/comment-page-1#comment-14972 A. Amos Love Thu, 29 Oct 2009 20:33:24 +0000 http://www.shauninthecity.com/?p=1322#comment-14972 Your fired - you said freaking - you cursed. Your fired – you said freaking – you cursed.

]]> By: David Patrick http://www.shauninthecity.com/2009/10/sin-police-to-be-or-not-to-be.html/comment-page-1#comment-14620 David Patrick Sun, 25 Oct 2009 15:13:30 +0000 http://www.shauninthecity.com/?p=1322#comment-14620 Randy absolutely hit the nail on the head. But just in case this is a matter of semantics and you actually mean if people who are involved in practicing sin without trying to get better than that's a different question all together. And that is up to you who can simply serve in your church. It's the standard that you set as the head of that place. However, the Bible is very clear on who can be LEADERS in the church, using words like 'ABOVE REPROACH..." Randy absolutely hit the nail on the head.

But just in case this is a matter of semantics and you actually mean if people who are involved in practicing sin without trying to get better than that's a different question all together. And that is up to you who can simply serve in your church. It's the standard that you set as the head of that place.

However, the Bible is very clear on who can be LEADERS in the church, using words like 'ABOVE REPROACH…"

]]> By: Tyler Mock http://www.shauninthecity.com/2009/10/sin-police-to-be-or-not-to-be.html/comment-page-1#comment-15878 Tyler Mock Thu, 22 Oct 2009 22:17:33 +0000 http://www.shauninthecity.com/?p=1322#comment-15878 I have to agree we are all sinners saved by grace, and we all have our junk to deal with! For sure! But if you are in a leadership role you are supposed to be an example.. held to a higher standard. Paul says that all things are lawful but not to be bound by anything. He also says in 1 corinthians 5 to let the brother in sin sit out till he gets his junk together. I'm Just saying, I think the people in ministry or leadership should be expected more of. Espescially if they are teaching the children. And we dont have to be sin police cause I have always heard that our sins will find us out anyway. Look at David, deep in his sin with Bathsheba the prophet Nathan called him out! Paul also in love called EVERYONE out! Its just my opinion but I think the scriptures should tell us what to do here. and In love tell the people whats up! Isaiah 58:1 says.. "Shout it aloud, do not hold back. Raise your voice like a trumpet. Declare to my people their rebellion and their sins." just my opinion.... I have to agree we are all sinners saved by grace, and we all have our junk to deal with! For sure! But if you are in a leadership role you are supposed to be an example.. held to a higher standard. Paul says that all things are lawful but not to be bound by anything. He also says in 1 corinthians 5 to let the brother in sin sit out till he gets his junk together. I'm Just saying, I think the people in ministry or leadership should be expected more of. Espescially if they are teaching the children. And we dont have to be sin police cause I have always heard that our sins will find us out anyway. Look at David, deep in his sin with Bathsheba the prophet Nathan called him out! Paul also in love called EVERYONE out! Its just my opinion but I think the scriptures should tell us what to do here. and In love tell the people whats up! Isaiah 58:1 says.. "Shout it aloud, do not hold back. Raise your voice like a trumpet. Declare to my people their rebellion and their sins." just my opinion….

]]> By: Ebony P. http://www.shauninthecity.com/2009/10/sin-police-to-be-or-not-to-be.html/comment-page-1#comment-15873 Ebony P. Thu, 22 Oct 2009 21:55:40 +0000 http://www.shauninthecity.com/?p=1322#comment-15873 ■Should people with public sins be able to serve or just with private sins? That's a good one! No sin is worse than the other. I think that question would best be left up to a prayerful pastor and that person. Like I said, we all have our challenges and sometimes we fall. But, even in falling, our hearts may still desire to do right and be in right standing with the Lord. If a person is consistently showing signs of not wanting to do better then maybe they need to "step down" for a little bit and get some help with that situation. I hope all of that made sense. ■Should people with public sins be able to serve or just with private sins?
That's a good one! No sin is worse than the other. I think that question would best be left up to a prayerful pastor and that person. Like I said, we all have our challenges and sometimes we fall. But, even in falling, our hearts may still desire to do right and be in right standing with the Lord. If a person is consistently showing signs of not wanting to do better then maybe they need to "step down" for a little bit and get some help with that situation.

I hope all of that made sense.

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